Wednesday, November 23, 2005

Seer Stones for All

In connection with my theorem on the use of seer stones by modern church leaders, Clark reminded us of D&C 130:10-11, in which Joseph taught that everyone in the celestial kingdom will receive a seer stone—specifically, a white stone that will function as a Urim and Thummim (see also here).

It turns out there’s no need to wait for the celestial kingdom; the future is now! These white stones are already available, ahead of schedule. And if you’re like me, you’ll choose a black one instead!

Capable of storing up to 15,000 songs, 25,000 photos, or 150 hours of video, that’s not a bad Urim and Thummim in my book. Especially when there’s no righteousness or burning of the bosom required: if you’ve got $299, your physical eyes and ears will deliver its digital clarity directly and unambiguously to even the most carnal of minds (I guess they call that priestcraft). The only thing it lacks is a wireless connection, but the growing sophistication of mobile phones, Blackberries, etc. shows that this isn’t far off either.

While such devices might give us a glimpse of what might be possible in the celestial kingdom, they don’t give us any insight into Joseph’s seer stone, which is extant and known not to contain any technology like unto an iPod or mobile phone. I’ve already disclosed on the other thread that I don’t think the seer stone played any physical role in the receipt of revelation. But as I said at the end of that thread, I have yet to synthesize what I think some possible weaknesses in my seer stone theorem are. Stay tuned.


I wish I could justify getting one of these. But I still have a 2cd gen 10gig iPod that does fine. But I was lusting at one of these yesterday. 

Comment by clark | 11/23/2005 05:44:00 PM  

If seer stones had that kind of mp3 capacity, there would be a lot more people at early morning seminary.

I, too, was looking at these the other day. It sucks that they don't sell the 20 gig iPod anymore. I don't need to store any photos (lamest feature ever) and $300 is just a bit too much to spend. 

Comment by NFlanders | 11/23/2005 06:24:00 PM  

Actually I'd like to have a bunch of photos of my family. But I'm more thinking movies to take to the gym. Yeah it's a tad too small. But then I wouldn't want a big one. The only downside is low battery life if you use video. 

Comment by clark | 11/23/2005 07:02:00 PM  

I'd rather get one of these. 

Comment by Susan M | 11/23/2005 07:33:00 PM  

I only have a pink hearer-stone. 

Comment by meems | 11/23/2005 08:09:00 PM  

The problem is Susan that Sony makes it so hard to get content down to the PSP, wanting to control everything themselves, that many of the great abilities of the PSP can't be accessed by the average user.

Say what you will about the limits of the current iPod for video (and I'll be the first to admit they are big) but Apple has made getting content trivial. 

Comment by clark | 11/23/2005 09:54:00 PM  

Clark,  I think I have exactly the same model, 2nd generation 10GB, the one with four red-backlit touchbuttons above the touchwheel? I like that better than the new clickwheel, but my difficulty with it is that my iTunes library is now bigger than 10GB. Also the sleekness, thinness, and video capabilities of the new ones are cool.


Comment by Christian Y. Cardall | 11/24/2005 08:44:00 AM  

NFlanders,  the iPod nano starts at $199 but has much smaller capacity (2GB and 4GB). But one thing you can do is get a used 20GB model off eBay. 

Comment by Christian Y. Cardall | 11/24/2005 08:48:00 AM  

Susan M. , thanks for the link, I've never seen one of those before! If you're into Playstation maybe you could get together with Miranda's husband . ;->

I'm not into games, but it looks pretty cool, especially if you could use it for video. 

Comment by Christian Y. Cardall | 11/24/2005 08:50:00 AM  

meems,  are you talking about a pink iPod mini? Too bad they don't make the minis anymore. They've been replaced by the nano. (I guess they skipped "micro." They should've left themselves more nomenclatural space for their drive to miniaturization.) 

Comment by Christian Y. Cardall | 11/24/2005 08:52:00 AM  

Yes, a pink iPod mini. I let my 5 year old daughter pick out the color! I got it free when I bought an iBook this summer. I didn't know they didn't make them anymore. I guess that's why they were giving them away!! 

Comment by meems | 11/24/2005 11:33:00 PM  

I think Christian that is the 3rd gen. The 2cd gen didn't have the buttons separate from the touch wheel and the 1st gen the wheel wasn't touch sensitive but actually spun. 

Comment by clarkgoble | 11/24/2005 11:57:00 PM  

meems,  yes, maybe so. If you look here  you'll see only iPod, iPod nano, and iPod shuffle across the top, the first two being available in white and black, and the last only in white. At one point Apple was offering their computers in several colors, and they gave that up even earlier. It's all about monochrome.  

Comment by Christian Y. Cardall | 11/25/2005 08:28:00 PM  

Clark,  thanks for setting me straight. It's amazing how quickly these things change. 

Comment by Christian Y. Cardall | 11/25/2005 08:29:00 PM  

Sorry to post on this thread so late, but Tivo is soon going to be able to play on these puppies. So if you have Tivo To Go (ie, your Tivo player is Series2 and is hooked up/networked to your computer), and you transfer shows over there, you can dump them into this video ipod thingie.

I am SO Behind the times, though, in a lot of ways. I am only just now researching ipod type thingies, and various features (like it's got to have voice recording; I'm tired of physical cassette tapes from therapy; I'd rather have it in digital format, and then I can burn em with section markers so's I can easily reference the part of therapy pertinent to what I'm looking for). But then, with the TIVO and burning shows to DVD (minus commercials, I edit and burn them on the computer), like all of season two of Lost so far, I guess in some ways I'm NOT behind the times.

Woops, I went on there. Sorry! 

Comment by sarebear | 12/10/2005 12:09:00 AM  

The Tivo connection sounds great... Wish I had one. It doesn't sound like you're behind the times at all. 

Comment by Christian Y. Cardall | 12/10/2005 06:54:00 PM  



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